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  • #16
    Wow there are lot of non-sensical, unsubstantiated claims in the last post. Apple makes nice hardware, thus the government employees want to use it. Why does that have to be some sort of conspiracy?

    I find it pretty depressing that too many people in these forums rag on companies' products just because they don't run Linux. Some people even rag on Red Hat because they are too "enterprise". Without large companies like that, a lot improvements to the Linux kernel, userspace apps, etc would not exist. Why can't you be thankful for what you DO get for free instead of making yourself out to be some holy man who's better than them because you say so. That's 3rd grade behavior (my dad can beat up your dad, for example). Why not make arguments like "Red Hat is in bed with the government to put backdoors into Linux"? Because it's bullshit. So is what you just said. By your logic, any Phoronix member developers that make any money off software should be lumped into the same group as Apple, Microsoft, etc. That is also bullshit. If you work hard and make a good product, people will buy it; that is how a free market is supposed to work. The Humble Bundles are a great example of that.

    If a company makes a great product, don't they deserve recognition, praise, and sales for it?

    People like nice things. If you disagree with them, fine. But don't make shit up just to massage your ego.

    I honestly hold no ill-will towards you despite what you've said, I just disagree with those particular points. There's a good chance we agree on a lot (we are both here, after all).

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    • #17
      I do, however, agree with your notion that the OS X user interface is not very good. It certainly LOOKS good, but functionality-wise, it's frustrating to use.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by elg2001 View Post
        Wow there are lot of non-sensical, unsubstantiated claims in the last post. Apple makes nice hardware, thus the government employees want to use it. Why does that have to be some sort of conspiracy?
        Except that 95% of my post was arguments based upon a technical basis There was a sarcastic shot at NASA for their failure with the constellation program and then a few sentences about Apple Marketing filling the rest of that 5%.

        Originally posted by elg2001 View Post
        I find it pretty depressing that too many people in these forums rag on companies' products just because they don't run Linux. Some people even rag on Red Hat because they are too "enterprise". Without large companies like that, a lot improvements to the Linux kernel, userspace apps, etc would not exist. Why can't you be thankful for what you DO get for free instead of making yourself out to be some holy man who's better than them because you say so. That's 3rd grade behavior (my dad can beat up your dad, for example). Why not make arguments like "Red Hat is in bed with the government to put backdoors into Linux"? Because it's bullshit. So is what you just said. By your logic, any Phoronix member developers that make any money off software should be lumped into the same group as Apple, Microsoft, etc. That is also bullshit. If you work hard and make a good product, people will buy it; that is how a free market is supposed to work. The Humble Bundles are a great example of that.

        If a company makes a great product, don't they deserve recognition, praise, and sales for it?

        People like nice things. If you disagree with them, fine. But don't make shit up just to massage your ego.

        I honestly hold no ill-will towards you despite what you've said, I just disagree with those particular points. There's a good chance we agree on a lot (we are both here, after all).
        Except I never brought up linux in that post, other than stating that OS X is less performant (which you yourself agree with) and that the power thing has to do with GPU Switching which is substantiated even by your fellow macbook users in this forum.

        Other than the initial section the post is basically about why the Apple Hardware really isn't good at all.

        So quit strawmanning, particularly when it results in your own statements becoming ironic and hypocritical in particular this:

        Originally posted by elg2001 View Post
        don't make shit up just to massage your ego.
        Last edited by Luke_Wolf; 08-26-2012, 07:50 PM.

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        • #19
          The fact that you automatically assume I'm a macbook user because I had nice things to say about it shows that you view life very black and white. I would actually never buy a Macbook for myself because I don't personally like their design, but I can realize when something is well made. In other words, good products should be viewed as such regardless of who makes it.

          The Red Hat thing was a bit of a rant, I admit. I actually think they're doing a fantastic job with Fedora unlike many years ago, so I must be a Red Hat fanboy. I like Windows 7, so I must be a Microsoft fanboy. I think Ubuntu is headed in the wrong direction design-wise, so I must be an Ubuntu hater.

          Overall, I'm just trying to say to notice good products regardless of their makers. Shitty companies can make great products and vice versa. Look at the Apple TV: that thing is a complete waste of time. Although I wouldn't consider Apple a good company anymore.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by elg2001 View Post
            Oh and I almost forgot the most important downside: their computers are EXPENSIVE. The iPad3 is very reasonable though; cheap, even (for what's in it).
            Oh, the price is the most important downside? Not the fact that Apple has a strong track record of being dominating and controlling when it comes to how to use their hardware? As well as being one of the biggest patent trolls in the world ATM?

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            • #21
              Originally posted by elg2001 View Post
              The fact that you automatically assume I'm a macbook user because I had nice things to say about it shows that you view life very black and white. I would actually never buy a Macbook for myself because I don't personally like their design, but I can realize when something is well made. In other words, good products should be viewed as such regardless of who makes it.
              The problem is you have yet to come up with one actual reason to back up your assertion that the hardware is well made. The other poster was at the very least actually posting honest technical critiques based on real experiences.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by elg2001 View Post
                The fact that you automatically assume I'm a macbook user because I had nice things to say about it shows that you view life very black and white. I would actually never buy a Macbook for myself because I don't personally like their design, but I can realize when something is well made. In other words, good products should be viewed as such regardless of who makes it.
                My assumption was that you were an Apple user because that's how you were portraying yourself, which had nothing to do with your saying good things about it but your utterly tangential arguments and how you were portraying yourself.

                And I strongly disagree apple products are well made, infact I think they're horribly made and poorly designed and I've laid out why and you've yet to actually go against those.

                Originally posted by elg2001 View Post
                The Red Hat thing was a bit of a rant, I admit. I actually think they're doing a fantastic job with Fedora unlike many years ago, so I must be a Red Hat fanboy. I like Windows 7, so I must be a Microsoft fanboy. I think Ubuntu is headed in the wrong direction design-wise, so I must be an Ubuntu hater.
                I told you to quit strawmanning, and you should listen to your own words and quit just making shit up to massage your own ego.

                Originally posted by elg2001 View Post
                Overall, I'm just trying to say to notice good products regardless of their makers. Shitty companies can make great products and vice versa. Look at the Apple TV: that thing is a complete waste of time. Although I wouldn't consider Apple a good company anymore.
                Are you trying to uphold the Apple TV as some sort of great product or are you calling it a shitty product I can't quite tell from the context.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Hamish Wilson View Post
                  Oh, the price is the most important downside? Not the fact that Apple has a strong track record of being dominating and controlling when it comes to how to use their hardware? As well as being one of the biggest patent trolls in the world ATM?
                  I'll certainly agree with you there (I said I didn't think they were a good company). I wasn't planning on writing a Wikipedia entry on my opinions of Apple.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by elg2001 View Post
                    I do, however, agree with your notion that the OS X user interface is not very good. It certainly LOOKS good, but functionality-wise, it's frustrating to use.
                    Not if you use multitouch (which it is designed to use).

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