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  • #61
    Originally posted by Kivada View Post
    So you jailbreak all of your devices, breaching the contract with the service provider? Or do you have some source for phone and tablet hardware that has no OS or an actual Linux installed, I.E. not Android?
    Are you RETARDED or something?
    Jailbreaking is for BREAKING OUT OF A CHROOT JAIL.
    Android DOES NOT USE CHROOT JAIL.

    ARM devices are not sold as common X86 gear is, there is no Newegg with a thousand mobos from which you can choose from.
    When you buy a laptop, do you select the mainboard separately?
    No, I didn't think so.

    Tablets are JUST LIKE LAPTOPS.

    The only ARM gear I currently know of that you can get with REAL LINUX on it by default is for a Phone: GTA-04 http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/
    Tablet: Vivaldi http://aseigo.blogspot.com/
    Gaming device: Open Pandora http://openpandora.org/
    Default is irrelevant.
    Samsung devices are firmware unlocked FROM FACTORY.
    Loading custom firmware to it is AS TRIVIAL as installing GNU/Linux on a laptop that ships with msvirus.

    HTC devices are firmware unlockABLE from factory.
    You go to their website and enter your IMEI to unlock, then they are as trivial as Samsung devices.

    All CHINESE TABLETS are UNLOCKED from factory. Just install your custom firmware. TRIVIAL.


    THERE IS NO HACKING AT ALL REQUIRED TO INSTALL DIFFERENT OS ON THE MAJORITY OF ANDROID PHONES AND TABLETS!!!!

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Kivada View Post
      Do they even still make those though? I thought sine MS took over Nokia they had stopped producing anything of value.
      If availability is a key factor for you then look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N9
      Originally posted by Kivada View Post
      On a site full of idiots that think Nvidia can do no wrong even if they will never support an OSS driver and would drop Linux support like a rotting diaper if it weren't for the CAD and pro video editing segment.
      Funny, I don't have Nvidia hardware.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by e8hffff View Post
        12 GFLOPS per GPU core? It all depends on how many GPU cores are engaged in the SOC version ordered by the device maker. Example 12 GPU cores x 12GFLOPS is 144GFLOPS, but as one should know panellising video hardware doesn't give a 100% increase in speed.

        Correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe the 12GFLOPS is for the basic 12 GPU core Tegra 3?

        If you check out the link below I was correct in my guess that the Tegra3 is around 40% to 80% the might of the Xbox360;
        http://www.anandtech.com/show/5762/n...ox-360-by-2014
        Just counting gflops doesn't really tell how stuff will look. Isn't it just better to look at, say,
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBl-goBrWno
        which admitedly is a showcase by nvidia themselves and thus not very objective. But from this i'd say.. not that impressive, but it is certainly capable hardware.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by madjr View Post
          quick question:

          if I install a normal linux distro (like ubuntu) on an ARM nvidia tegra tablet, will I have full GPU acceleration , since am using the linux kernel or is the acceleration only available on android ?
          There isn't a single image that can boot on ARM devices at the moment. Installing on ARM starts out different from normal distro installs, because you need an image customised for the hardware model.

          Looking at http://developer.nvidia.com/linux-tegra

          You can get a bootloader, and an ubuntu-derived filesystem image that together should (I haven't tried) boot on some Tegra 3 devices (provided they don't start with a Tivo-style locked bootloader), but the graphics driver is a binary blob and NVIDIA wants it to stay that way. I don't know if there is a way to drive the hardware (accelerated or not) without the blob.

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          • #65
            To moderate my previous comment about things that are theoretically possible, NVIDIA have not been amenable to providing some basic functionality that they have split out of the kernel: http://forums.developer.nvidia.com/d...al-components/

            So I guess I'm with Linus: they are hard to work with, flipping them the bird is appropriate.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
              Are you RETARDED or something?
              Is this really necessary? Please tone down a little bit, one ‎maldorordiscord-qaridarium in this forum is more than enough.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by madjr View Post
                ok, so can anyone please answer this:

                quick question:

                if I install a normal linux distro (like ubuntu) on an ARM nvidia tegra tablet, will I have full GPU acceleration , since am using the linux kernel or is the acceleration only available on android ?

                thanks
                You'd have to use the kernel that the video driver was compiled against. So if you can squeeze that kernel into your Ubuntu distro then you might be going somewhere. Of course I'm not sure what you'd use for a display since there's no X support in the driver or kernel.

                This is kind of what the CM9 guys did when they ported ICS over to the HP TouchPad. It's basically Android userspace wrapped around the original HP Palm linux kernel + binary blobs.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by e8hffff View Post
                  Example, You have an new Android tablet, or a new released Ubuntu 12.04 tablet. Which one do you buy?
                  The one that "just works", of course. And considering how Ubuntu 12.04 is an unmitigated disaster on my desktop but my Android tablet and phone are generally trouble-free... I know which one I'm buying.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by johnc View Post
                    You'd have to use the kernel that the video driver was compiled against. So if you can squeeze that kernel into your Ubuntu distro then you might be going somewhere. Of course I'm not sure what you'd use for a display since there's no X support in the driver or kernel.

                    This is kind of what the CM9 guys did when they ported ICS over to the HP TouchPad. It's basically Android userspace wrapped around the original HP Palm linux kernel + binary blobs.
                    Isn't this the same hardware as in the Asus transformer. There is a binary blob for the gpu acceleration,
                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sK_4cXHnyss
                    This guy is working hard to have a normal ubuntu installation instead of android.

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                    • #70
                      And Linus seems pretty proud of how android is doing:

                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFKxlYNfT_o

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                      • #71
                        Heh, Android-based tablet for Christians http://www.familychristian.com/edifi

                        I hear it will segfault if you type in 'darwin' or 'theory of evolution'

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
                          Are you RETARDED or something?
                          Jailbreaking is for BREAKING OUT OF A CHROOT JAIL.
                          Android DOES NOT USE CHROOT JAIL.


                          When you buy a laptop, do you select the mainboard separately?
                          No, I didn't think so.

                          Tablets are JUST LIKE LAPTOPS.



                          Default is irrelevant.
                          Samsung devices are firmware unlocked FROM FACTORY.
                          Loading custom firmware to it is AS TRIVIAL as installing GNU/Linux on a laptop that ships with msvirus.

                          HTC devices are firmware unlockABLE from factory.
                          You go to their website and enter your IMEI to unlock, then they are as trivial as Samsung devices.

                          All CHINESE TABLETS are UNLOCKED from factory. Just install your custom firmware. TRIVIAL.


                          THERE IS NO HACKING AT ALL REQUIRED TO INSTALL DIFFERENT OS ON THE MAJORITY OF ANDROID PHONES AND TABLETS!!!!
                          The fuck would I know that? I don't bother with the Android not fully OSS compatible hardware. Can you use the Android drivers with an ARM Linux distro? Last I checked no, at least for display drivers.

                          As for laptops, the last laptop i bought was a 2001 iBook that lasted me until 2009, I've no need for another laptop currently but if I did I'd order something from Zareason, System76 or Ohava and not have to wonder if everything will work out of the box or not.

                          But as I said, counting Android as a Linux install is like counting dead people in a census.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Kivada View Post
                            counting Android as a Linux install is like counting dead people in a census.
                            Coming up with a metaphor that makes sense is like eating Elmer's glue.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Kivada View Post
                              But as I said, counting Android as a Linux install is like counting dead people in a census.
                              Because you equal 'Linux' with a desktop distro?

                              Android uses Linux, so yes it's a 'Linux device' in that respect, particularly as a kernel is 'quite' an important part of an operating system.

                              That said it's probably not something to run around and shout from the rooftops about though, it's just a result of Linux being a very flexible and performant kernel which was just as true before it was used as the base for the Android operating system.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by XorEaxEax View Post
                                Because you equal 'Linux' with a desktop distro?

                                Android uses Linux, so yes it's a 'Linux device' in that respect, particularly as a kernel is 'quite' an important part of an operating system.

                                That said it's probably not something to run around and shout from the rooftops about though, it's just a result of Linux being a very flexible and performant kernel which was just as true before it was used as the base for the Android operating system.
                                Unless you can do with it all that you can do on a standard distro and unless all software running on top of it can be ported to another distro IT'S NOT LINUX.

                                It's like I equated to it before, an Xbox360 runs the NT kernel, does that count as a Windows install? No, it does not. MOst digital "smart grid" electrical meters being installed in my area run WinCE, do they count as Windows? No.

                                Android is as much Linux as TiVO is Linux or the DVD player sitting under my TV is Linux. For what they do it means fuckall of nothing what kernel they use, be it Linux, BSD, RTOS, DOS, NT, it just doesn't matter, as they are incapable of being what you say they are.

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