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  • #46
    Originally posted by log0 View Post
    To be more exact 1MAD(2FLOPS) per clock and core, thus 2FLOPS * 520MHz * 12Cores = 12.48GFLOPS. This makes 1/20 of xbox 360 performance.
    And 12 times the performance of the Wii, which I wouldn't call an unsuccessful console. Gaming is more than sheer performance.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
      You buy the one with Android on it, because (1) the second option is imaginary and will never exist, (2) the second one is a kludge of crap that doesn't really work right with a touchscreen and needs to be hacked on for weeks before it begins to function.

      Also, you can run GNU (if from ubuntu or any other ARM distro) on any Android tablet. Yeah, you know why? Its because the LINUX KERNEL is still the LINUX KERNEL.


      Guess what? They're BOTH real.


      You said the magic word... OF COURSE ITS NOT GNU, NOT EVEN FAKE GNU. ITS ANDROID.

      And you really don't know much about Android, do you? Java is only used for LIGHT stuff, basic UI's, things like that. All the heavy lifting is done by native binaries.
      Yeah, it's exactly that, Android, which the user has no real control of out of the box, which is designed to give every bit of personal information possible about you to whatever company pays for the privilege of stalking you. Because of that Android is not and never will be Linux, no, it doesn't fucking matter what kernel it runs when you have no control.

      CyanogenMod doesn't count either since it's not the default.

      And no, while you may be fine with running a lobotomized Android appliance I suspect most on this site would rather get the real Linux tablet.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by e8hffff View Post
        Your argument is faulty, as it's equivalent to comparing engines without a car body. Yeah the engine is a Linux Kernel derivative, but the body/chassis is not Linux. An android device has the body is a coffee colour, java, with Android essence.

        You have to consider the whole car to call it a model type.
        YOUR argument is faulty.

        GNU IS NOT LINUX. GNU IS USERLAND, ONE OF MANY, COMMONLY USED OVER TOP OF A LINUX KERNEL.

        GNU is ALSO used over OTHER kernels, like BSD, and HURD.

        Just as OTHER userlands are used over LINUX KERNEL -- like ANDROID, ACCESS, MEEGO, hundreds of different embedded systems, WDTV, OpenWRT, etc.


        LINUX IS THE KERNEL.
        ONLY.
        NOTHING MORE.
        THAT IS ALL.
        JUST THE KERNEL.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
          YOUR argument is faulty.

          GNU IS NOT LINUX. GNU IS USERLAND, ONE OF MANY, COMMONLY USED OVER TOP OF A LINUX KERNEL.

          GNU is ALSO used over OTHER kernels, like BSD, and HURD.

          Just as OTHER userlands are used over LINUX KERNEL -- like ANDROID, ACCESS, MEEGO, hundreds of different embedded systems, WDTV, OpenWRT, etc.


          LINUX IS THE KERNEL.
          ONLY.
          NOTHING MORE.
          THAT IS ALL.
          JUST THE KERNEL.
          And the kernel alone is about as useful as a NetBSD toaster...

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Kivada View Post
            Yeah, it's exactly that, Android, which the user has no real control of out of the box, which is designed to give every bit of personal information possible about you to whatever company pays for the privilege of stalking you. Because of that Android is not and never will be Linux, no, it doesn't fucking matter what kernel it runs when you have no control.

            CyanogenMod doesn't count either since it's not the default.

            And no, while you may be fine with running a lobotomized Android appliance I suspect most on this site would rather get the real Linux tablet.
            Your argument is INVALID.
            When you go to the store and buy a new computer, guess what? Its got MSVIRUS on it, stalking you, reporting you to steve balmer, and you have no control.

            And no, it doesn't count that you lobotomized it to install GNU/Linux on it, BECAUSE ITS NOT THE DEFAULT.

            GNU/Linux will never be Linux.



            ***

            Now you see how absurd your argument actually is?

            There is NO SUCH THING as a "real linux" anything. HARDWARE IS HARDWARE. Linux is SOFTWARE. By very definition, NOT THE SAME THING.

            ***I*** purchase hardware based on freedom and openness. Not based on what software comes preinstalled. Lobotomized? Absolutely not. Unless you buy into CRAP, its a simple matter of wiping the crippleware off of it and installing WHATEVER software on it YOU LIKE. And no, it is no more challenging and no more "hacking" is required, than wiping that MSVIRUS off that new laptop you just bought.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Kivada View Post
              And the kernel alone is about as useful as a NetBSD toaster...
              So? What's your point?

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Kivada View Post
                Yeah, it's exactly that, Android, which the user has no real control of out of the box, which is designed to give every bit of personal information possible about you to whatever company pays for the privilege of stalking you. Because of that Android is not and never will be Linux, no, it doesn't fucking matter what kernel it runs when you have no control.
                According to your definition all the embedded devices out there that are running Linux are in reality not running Linux, because the user has no control over the inbuilt OS. Or is your definition only true for Android?

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                • #53
                  ok, so can anyone please answer this:

                  Originally posted by madjr View Post
                  quick question:

                  if I install a normal linux distro (like ubuntu) on an ARM nvidia tegra tablet, will I have full GPU acceleration , since am using the linux kernel or is the acceleration only available on android ?
                  thanks

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
                    talked out of his ass some more...

                    So you jailbreak all of your devices, breaching the contract with the service provider? Or do you have some source for phone and tablet hardware that has no OS or an actual Linux installed, I.E. not Android?

                    ARM devices are not sold as common X86 gear is, there is no Newegg with a thousand mobos from which you can choose from.

                    The only ARM gear I currently know of that you can get with REAL LINUX on it by default is for a Phone: GTA-04 http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/
                    Tablet: Vivaldi http://aseigo.blogspot.com/
                    Gaming device: Open Pandora http://openpandora.org/

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by TobiSGD View Post
                      According to your definition all the embedded devices out there that are running Linux are in reality not running Linux, because the user has no control over the inbuilt OS. Or is your definition only true for Android?
                      I think that Kivada needs to read this: http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Kivada View Post
                        Or do you have some source for phone and tablet hardware that has no OS or an actual Linux installed, I.E. not Android?
                        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N900

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by TobiSGD View Post
                          According to your definition all the embedded devices out there that are running Linux are in reality not running Linux, because the user has no control over the inbuilt OS. Or is your definition only true for Android?
                          More or less yeah, sure you can count them as installs the same way Microsoft counts installs of WinCE on embedded devices as installs as well, but unless you can do anything with them aside from what they where specifically built for without major modification... then no, they don't count.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Kivada View Post
                            More or less yeah, sure you can count them as installs the same way Microsoft counts installs of WinCE on embedded devices as installs as well, but unless you can do anything with them aside from what they where specifically built for without major modification... then no, they don't count.
                            Seems to me that you stand pretty alone with your definition.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by TobiSGD View Post
                              Do they even still make those though? I thought sine MS took over Nokia they had stopped producing anything of value.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by TobiSGD View Post
                                Seems to me that you stand pretty alone with your definition.
                                On a site full of idiots that think Nvidia can do no wrong even if they will never support an OSS driver and would drop Linux support like a rotting diaper if it weren't for the CAD and pro video editing segment.

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