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  • #46
    Originally posted by Panix View Post
    So, your response is to post to the forum my comments?

    Okay, maybe the Russian water is a problem for you or something.

    HP PRINTERS ARE GARBAGE. Deal with it.
    FYI I speak four languages.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
      [B]HP WORKS PERFECTLY
      I don't have to read any more of your post after such comments. Because one fluky printer works proves nothing.

      There's tons of references to HP printers working poorly or not at all how they're supposed to. I stated normal operation of 3 HP printers I have tried have failed, in particular, scanning functionality. The rep of HP software is poor and well known.

      The pattern is a small fractional percentage might work but then your version or definition of 'working' is probably different anyway.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
        FYI I speak four languages.
        So? I don't care if you can speak 10 or 20 languages. I'm not here for language tips.

        You seem to just want to beat your chest and cause friction.

        So, when these types of posts are presented, they mean nothing, huh?

        http://forums13.itrc.hp.com/service/...readId=1224840

        Do others a favor and don't bother with your great printer. I really don't care.

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        • #49
          Can we go back to regular programing?

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Panix View Post
            I don't have to read any more of your post after such comments.
            Look at your comments first.

            Originally posted by Panix View Post
            Because one fluky printer works proves nothing.
            Yes, my printer does *street magic*, you know.

            Originally posted by Panix View Post
            The pattern is a small fractional percentage might work but then your version or definition of 'working' is probably different anyway.
            If my definition of "working" is different from your definition of "working" why was I able to publish your "speech" on my "working" "small fractional percentage", whilst you assume, from your "possible" tests, that 3 printers define whole global amount of all HP printers available, instead of using your head to narrow the problem to specific cause or RMA it.

            Originally posted by Panix View Post
            Okay, maybe the Russian water is a problem for you or something.
            Originally posted by Panix View Post
            So? I don't care if you can speak 10 or 20 languages. I'm not here for language tips.
            Apparently you are.

            Originally posted by Panix View Post
            You seem to just want to beat your chest and cause friction.
            I was here to help you solve your problem. Then it *suddenly* seems you don't have any and is here for trolls. Who is causing friction, Unlubricated One?

            Originally posted by Panix View Post
            So, when these types of posts are presented, they mean nothing, huh?

            http://forums13.itrc.hp.com/service/...readId=1224840
            Your are as seeking for the solution, as "Stephen R Smith" from that thread. Im not HP representative and this is just a normal guarantee case.

            Originally posted by Panix View Post
            Do others a favor and don't bother with your great printer. I really don't care.
            It is not against the forum rules to help someone posting the problem. Lying, bashing and trolling however are.

            I assume your "problem" stopped existing, whilst I had on HP in linux had zero of them; so for me, this thread is closed regardless of what or whom you troll further.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
              I assume your "problem" stopped existing, whilst I had on HP in linux had zero of them; so for me, this thread is closed regardless of what or whom you troll further.
              I didn't accuse you of being a troll but you have done so to me twice.

              This, imho, is the reaction of someone who doesn't like another opinion so they steep so low to call someone a troll.

              I'm not sure how you were trying to help. I noted boasting about one's printer working. Nothing else. Also, I'm not sure how you would help anyway. Do you have 'VirtualPC' or whatever Linux equivalent?

              I am not sure whether having one printer work proves HP is good and likewise, my three HP printers 'not working' properly doesn't assert they don't either. But, my experience SUGGESTS TO ME that HP's quality has dropped significantly and wondering if I'm 'the only one', I googled to find a lot of reports of HP 'issues.' I made a conclusion and yes, posts in a forum don't make it so but it's my conclusion, like it or not.

              The only praise I notice HP getting is for the open source but the printers themselves don't work for me so my deductive reasoning suggests these devices are not worth the money or headache. I never called anyone a troll, though. I just thought posting pictures of my post was a sign of arrogance but I guess no one figures to consider what the other person would perceive.

              Anyway, I am not considering HP printers any more so I am done with the original question. From now on, I'll take a look at Canon, Epson and even Lexmark if I need a multi-function and/or inkjet. I already have a Samsung laser.

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              • #52
                P.S. Why didn't anyone comment on scanners? Doesn't that interest/bother anyone? I'm talking about BRAND NEW / CURRENT MARKET scanners. Epson or Canon.... no support. I checked the SANE project web page and it's only old scanners that are supported. Well, there is some support for the Canon LIDE series up to 60, I think. I was considering a used one until I borrowed the HP Deskjet. Like I said, I needed the scanning function and wanted to do it at home.

                I didn't know I'd have to run through hoops and have headaches with an 'opensource, Linux-friendly' HP product.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Panix View Post
                  P.S. Why didn't anyone comment on scanners? Doesn't that interest/bother anyone? I'm talking about BRAND NEW / CURRENT MARKET scanners. Epson or Canon.... no support. I checked the SANE project web page and it's only old scanners that are supported. Well, there is some support for the Canon LIDE series up to 60, I think. I was considering a used one until I borrowed the HP Deskjet. Like I said, I needed the scanning function and wanted to do it at home.

                  I didn't know I'd have to run through hoops and have headaches with an 'opensource, Linux-friendly' HP product.
                  Ok, peace, I was NOT meant to be arrogant, was explaining that I have it working 2x here and you 3x don't. You claim it does not work, I, using it and specifically buying it for linux support printed your msg out to show it works(nothing more). Ok, forget HP.

                  I do not know about Samsung, I heard they were ceasing driver support, hence I asked energyman about its state, it seems also binary-only.

                  I had fight with Canon LBP2900 over three days without a break(which is why I started hating Canon and they claimed to not support linux), its binary only and contains translator from PS to hits own format plain, without some installation routines or udev rules. In the end it has partially worked with minimal possibilities, but still.

                  Canon LIDE (20?) flatbed CIS scanner on the other case was actually detected as Mustek and worked straightaway in XSane. If you want good scanner go for CCD-based, not CIS(compact ones). They are larger(taller) but offer brighter color spectrum.

                  I also know Lexmark is incredibly greedy at printing price(much more above hp or epson) and drivers are binary as well.

                  Kodak does not care about linux at all.

                  Hope it helps a bit.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
                    Ok, peace, I was NOT meant to be arrogant, was explaining that I have it working 2x here and you 3x don't. You claim it does not work, I, using it and specifically buying it for linux support printed your msg out to show it works(nothing more). Ok, forget HP.

                    I do not know about Samsung, I heard they were ceasing driver support, hence I asked energyman about its state, it seems also binary-only.

                    I had fight with Canon LBP2900 over three days without a break(which is why I started hating Canon and they claimed to not support linux), its binary only and contains translator from PS to hits own format plain, without some installation routines or udev rules. In the end it has partially worked with minimal possibilities, but still.

                    Canon LIDE (20?) flatbed CIS scanner on the other case was actually detected as Mustek and worked straightaway in XSane. If you want good scanner go for CCD-based, not CIS(compact ones). They are larger(taller) but offer brighter color spectrum.

                    I also know Lexmark is incredibly greedy at printing price(much more above hp or epson) and drivers are binary as well.

                    Kodak does not care about linux at all.

                    Hope it helps a bit.
                    A little bit.

                    Please accept my apologies.

                    примите мои извинения!

                    I was out of line and apologize for my tone. I wish HP was good and that I thought differently since there is some open source support but geez, nothing would work for me.

                    As you probably surmised, I was just extremely frustrated. Also, it cost me mostly time but if you count the first printer I had, I bought that one. I got it strictly on the assumption it would be a good Linux-friendly/compatible printer. But, even in Windows, I had major trouble with all the HP printers I tried.

                    I guess HP printers don't like me!

                    I know I'm not the most gifted, technically speaking, with computers, but I thought I should be able to use a freakin' printer!

                    I read about Samsung 'halting' Linux support. It sounds like the most recent process is acquiring root privileges or something. Not sure how accurate a statement or description that is, but, the usage probably isn't going to be as ideal as the open source situation for HP.

                    I thought I read about Lexmark being more Linux frinedly. I thought I read that here, too? I figure a 'scanner only' device would be less problematic but the newest ones don't seem to have drivers or SANE support (via SANE project info and lack of Linux-oriented info). Canon seems to be the most available out of new scanners. I guess shopping for a used one might uncover something supported but there's no money back guarantee with that route.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
                      I believe you, you are not the only one


                      1000 pages is claimed. Real result would be nice.
                      You never print pictures with inkjet on standart paper. If you do, I think laser will be far better, because it distributes the toner much more precisely. But its is not photo, if you want photo quality, laser cannot match. Fujifilm uses special printers, I have no idea how they work, but they work with reagents and chemicals resulting in inkjet quality result on cheap glossy paper.
                      I have already printed 300 page documentation with b209a, had no jam yet, not joking. Maybe it is blessed or something

                      The last sentence is hard for me to understand. The head never dries out - its cleaned and parked. Unless manually removed and exposed to fresh air for more than 20 minutes. Then there is a solution to easily dissolve the ink. The ink itself of course has best-before, but colors and printing head are separated. There are very good XL empty clone cartridges available, cost 10$ for 10 pack, refillable, without ID chip(you need to place it there from any original cartridge, from trial works well too; marks printer that ink is here). Overall worst situation is way cleaner than with toner. Original XL ink, full pack is 50$, claimed 800 pages(one of best ink available), you dont need original ink or cartridge though if daily quality. I have no idea how much the main head costs, I suggest no more than 30$. Then, there is CISS of course. The MFC itself costs officially 140$, got it for 99$ brand new.

                      Are linux PS drivers for 315 available? Opensource? Binary? Just interested. I heard samsung decided to cut its linux printing support recently(3 or 4 months ago).
                      I have lost three inkjet printers thanks to dried ink. And not even a 24h bath in isopropanol ever get me acceptable results after that.

                      I laser printer is much cheaper on the long run and does not mind waiting for weeks for the next print job.

                      And if you really need the best possible photo like quality you:

                      print in windows
                      and/or
                      let some pro's do the printing

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by energyman View Post
                        I have lost three inkjet printers thanks to dried ink. And not even a 24h bath in isopropanol ever get me acceptable results after that.

                        I laser printer is much cheaper on the long run and does not mind waiting for weeks for the next print job.

                        And if you really need the best possible photo like quality you:

                        print in windows
                        and/or
                        let some pro's do the printing
                        Hm, highest possible damage with dried inks is possible if your using printhead-in-cartridge printer(mine is separated). Even then, your problem narrows to the cartridge. There is a special solution to clean the head on the market other than alcohol, maybe it would help. Throwin printer away is kinda unlogical(unless overpriced low-segment garbage of course).

                        B209 does not mind waiting for month btw. Does laser printer toner have "best before" and, if yes, whats the range?

                        "print in windows" is invalid. Samsung better in windows than in linux?

                        pro printing in most cases is definitely better and normally cheaper. But not if you want it here and now.

                        "Photo-quality" is NOT for laser printers, at least not under 1000$ segment range.

                        http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...-2,1534-2.html

                        Also, it whats about claimed 1000 pages to real-life results? Have you tested it by yourself, what results?

                        Looking forward for your response, energyman.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Panix View Post
                          A little bit.

                          Please accept my apologies.

                          примите мои извинения!

                          I was out of line and apologize for my tone. I wish HP was good and that I thought differently since there is some open source support but geez, nothing would work for me.

                          As you probably surmised, I was just extremely frustrated. Also, it cost me mostly time but if you count the first printer I had, I bought that one. I got it strictly on the assumption it would be a good Linux-friendly/compatible printer. But, even in Windows, I had major trouble with all the HP printers I tried.

                          I guess HP printers don't like me!

                          I know I'm not the most gifted, technically speaking, with computers, but I thought I should be able to use a freakin' printer!

                          I read about Samsung 'halting' Linux support. It sounds like the most recent process is acquiring root privileges or something. Not sure how accurate a statement or description that is, but, the usage probably isn't going to be as ideal as the open source situation for HP.

                          I thought I read about Lexmark being more Linux frinedly. I thought I read that here, too? I figure a 'scanner only' device would be less problematic but the newest ones don't seem to have drivers or SANE support (via SANE project info and lack of Linux-oriented info). Canon seems to be the most available out of new scanners. I guess shopping for a used one might uncover something supported but there's no money back guarantee with that route.
                          No problem, Im very sorry too. No fight here just frustration(everywhere).

                          Lexmark is binary with bad support. My girls family had lexmark inkjet (I can lookup for correct model name, if you want, it still lies in the corner of their room) which had incredibly high ink usage, very high ink cost, head and cartridge combined, and eventually it dried up and no one wanted to resurrect it.

                          I would personally go laser if I had more bucks, more table space(need scanner) and would print less photos. Didn't know color lasers of OK quality are already available under 200$.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
                            Hm, highest possible damage with dried inks is possible if your using printhead-in-cartridge printer(mine is separated).
                            BEEEP wrong. Seperate print head printers like canon or epson are even MORE screwed. A fucking printhead is fucking expensive.

                            Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
                            Even then, your problem narrows to the cartridge. There is a special solution to clean the head on the market
                            yeah and it is called isopropanol 99%.

                            Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
                            other than alcohol, maybe it would help. Throwin printer away is kinda unlogical(unless overpriced low-segment garbage of course).
                            no, it makes a lot of sense if two sets of ink and a new head are more expensive than a new printer.

                            Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
                            B209 does not mind waiting for month btw. Does laser printer toner have "best before" and, if yes, whats the range?
                            many month to years?

                            Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
                            "print in windows" is invalid. Samsung better in windows than in linux?
                            .
                            just compare the options and easiness of printing in windows and linux. Seriously, do it. With every inkjet I had I had the same problem: too much ink. Got only better when I BOUGHT turboprint drivers (which also bring some nice features to linux). The easy way to change options. The fact that the preview and the results are almost identical. The fact that there ARE options. cups is a complete clusterfuck compared to windows printing. It can't even get horizontal right, when it isn't in the right mood. And I am not willing to spend all my virgins on cups. Need some for gcc.

                            Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
                            pro printing in most cases is definitely better and normally cheaper. But not if you want it here and now.

                            "Photo-quality" is NOT for laser printers, at least not under 1000$ segment range.
                            if you mean 'on copy paper' the quality is as good as an inkjet. If you need a better quality, a pro should do it anyway.

                            http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...-2,1534-2.html

                            Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
                            Also, it whats about claimed 1000 pages to real-life results? Have you tested it by yourself, what results?

                            Looking forward for your response, energyman.
                            a friend of mine has the same printer. He got more than 1000 pages out of it. That was one of the reasons why I bought the clp 315 in the first place. The only problem he has - if you print a lot of pages in one session there is a tendency to overheat.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by energyman View Post
                              BEEEP wrong. Seperate print head printers like canon or epson are even MORE screwed. A fucking printhead is fucking expensive.
                              Mine's 24. At least seems so.

                              Originally posted by energyman View Post
                              no, it makes a lot of sense if two sets of ink and a new head are more expensive than a new printer.
                              I understand. And if using alternative? Are you using original samsung toner now? Just curious.

                              Originally posted by energyman View Post
                              many month to years?
                              No, several months, very impossible any more. The cartridges themselves have a one-way opening at the top, so when the head sucks ink in, air comes from the top to maintain the pressure. I think its impossible to prevent it drying up in long term.
                              Btw you didnt answer the expiry date question :P I did a search, seems laser toner expires as well, mostly due to getting moisturized from air, but seems to hold more than ink.

                              Originally posted by energyman View Post
                              just compare the options and easiness of printing in windows and linux. Seriously, do it. With every inkjet I had I had the same problem: too much ink. Got only better when I BOUGHT turboprint drivers (which also bring some nice features to linux). The easy way to change options. The fact that the preview and the results are almost identical. The fact that there ARE options. cups is a complete clusterfuck compared to windows printing. It can't even get horizontal right, when it isn't in the right mood. And I am not willing to spend all my virgins on cups. Need some for gcc.
                              I can't answer this, because I have sufficient amount of options. Some more exotic in HP utility(orientation, color control etc). Cups works(somehow). Which are the printers you had to buy turboprint for?

                              Originally posted by energyman View Post
                              if you mean 'on copy paper' the quality is as good as an inkjet. If you need a better quality, a pro should do it anyway.

                              http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...-2,1534-2.html
                              Yes, I mean using a4 or 10x15 glossy high-dense "photo" paper for photo printing.

                              Originally posted by energyman View Post
                              a friend of mine has the same printer. He got more than 1000 pages out of it. That was one of the reasons why I bought the clp 315 in the first place. The only problem he has - if you print a lot of pages in one session there is a tendency to overheat.
                              Thanks for info! The thing is I see a lot of reviews claiming 315 empties the toner much faster than expected(or claimed).

                              Also, it seems that laser are able to do 1200x600 dpi only, where 600 stays always. Im looking for laser able to do 1200x1200 at least with good color transfer, not lexmark. The samsung color laser MFC is around 220$ which is nice.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Panix View Post
                                ....
                                Hey Panix! What did you end up buying?
                                Because right now I have b209a sitting in front of me, that started to make traces. I have soaked the Q-tip as HP recommends in alcohol and cleaned the head - nothing. Then I have soaked it in hot distilled water, as HP recommends too, and after that all RGB colors stopped to print correctly, they print as if it is ink shortage; yet when printing via printers menu, it does not appear. I soaked again and now black color is not working - at all. After 2 days eaten by this printer (on xmas!) Im done. Lots of dirty paper, dirty working - even when normally printing there are excessive amounts of ink on head - and cleaning process is actually crap - the ink is thrown inside a container residing in printer itself. This guy is way too messy and too stupid to use.
                                Im looking for color laser, which is both cheap in buying and cheap in refilling(original or not) and supports linux. Konica Minolta 2550 sounds fine, right now. I dont have 1000$ to invest in Ricoh, neither I will print 24k pages in year.
                                After some time, I think I will invest in sublimation printer specially for photos.
                                Last edited by crazycheese; 12-26-2011, 02:03 PM.

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