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    Phoronix: Creative Labs Continues To Shaft Linux

    It has been a while since last mentioning the Creative X-Fi sound cards at Phoronix, but it's not because the Linux support is all nice and working now that Creative open-sourced their X-Fi driver, but rather things have stalled. The X-Fi sound cards still are a sore spot on Linux and there isn't "out of the box" support in major Linux distributions. First, however, it's important to note how the situation evolved into Creative open-sourcing their binary Sound Blaster X-Fi driver.....

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=NzE2Ng

  • #2
    When I bought my new system earlier this year, I didn't know whether to stick with the Realtek ALC888 on my motherboard or buy a Creative X-Fi Titanium (I had a Creative Audigy 2 ZS before and loved it). Well, I chose to stick with the onboard chip and it really was the right decision! Realtek has great driver support!

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    • #3
      From his eMail...
      [...] Try to shout loudly on any (Creative) forums so that they could hear
      user's voice... I'm still waiting for any contacts from them.


      thanks,

      Takashi
      Don't even try to use a bugmenot account there, you will be banned. :/

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      • #4
        Creative will change their ways when they are entirely and completely alone with their poorly supported hardware. This day is coming soon.

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        • #5
          Isn't the code they have released so far enough to make a working driver? If so, why haven't we seen an ALSA driver yet?

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          • #6
            Isn't one of the core strengths of open source software supposed to be that unmaintained or legacy code can be given a new lease of life because anyone is free to come along and pick it up?

            Sure, Creative aren't actively helping this get fixed, but hasn't releasing the source code that they had enabled the open source community to fix their crap?

            Or is fixing their code impossible without further documentation?

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            • #7
              One of the main developers from 4front/OSS4 (Hannu Savolainen) said this in his blog:

              SB X-Fi is one of the last new consumer sound cards in the market. It has impressive feature list on paper. Unfortunately the EMU 20k chip is extremely complex. It has dozens of different processing units connected by a freely reconfigurable ring bus. In addition it has a DSP unit that is completely undocumented. Also different X-Fi cards have different peripheral chips connected to the 20k chip. Figuring all that out seems to be something that may take few years of full time work. In addition keeping track of the changes in recent/future card models makes the driver a moving target. The current X-Fi driver of OSS is based on a simple DOS based manufacturing test program provided by Creative. It supports only older card models and limited functionality. Unfortunately this seems to be the best that can be done unless we manage to hire a group of 5-10 sr driver engineers to do the job.
              http://4front-tech.com/hannublog/
              Last edited by DanL; 03-24-2009, 01:18 PM.

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              • #8
                If Creative wants to shaft Linux, then shaft them right back!

                Give people a great, high quality driver... that only supports a single 48kHz output stream. Make their cards look like a joke compared to cards from 1999, because it reflects the rest of that company well.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Ant P. View Post
                  If Creative wants to shaft Linux, then shaft them right back! Give people a great, high quality driver... that only supports a single 48kHz output stream. Make their cards look like a joke compared to cards from 1999, because it reflects the rest of that company well.
                  Yeah, because in most people's minds the only thing that'll mean is that Linux is crap. Great plan. Things that work under Linux is great. Things that don't work is acceptable. Things that sorta work but are crap is what drives people away.

                  Like not so long ago with wireless card, pretty much the worst you could do to a newbie is "yeah you can get it working with ndiswrapper and a windows driver binary by custom compilling the source..." Seriously, "No it won't ever work well, buy a brand that works" would be better.

                  X-Fi = No sound = Loud and clear message = Don't buy for Linux. From what I've understood, most use integrated sound, those that want pro sound don't buy Creative and their primary market is stupid gamers anyway. And those will be running Windows, so why bother?

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                  • #10
                    Basially you can create a dkms package for the OSS driver and it will work with every new kernel (as long as it compiles). ALSA support would be better however, but before you hear nothing...

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                    • #11
                      Seriously?

                      I want to know one thing. After all this time, and the lackluster products that have been sold, who is still buying internal creative audio products?

                      If you want quality in your audio, an external USB device is probably far superior to anything being produced at creative, and if you just want simple audio most boards come with it as an option onboard.

                      I abandoned creative a very long time ago, and I haven't looked back once. Their "superior quality" is just a delusion of the purchaser, and it always has been. I've personally noticed far interference and noise on generic branded USB adapters- and those adhere to a standard that is pretty well supported in Linux.

                      The same kind of thing has been going on in Windows land as well. The drivers for Creative products have been abandoned for Vista. When someone started writing open drivers that worked with previous generation products under new operating systems, Creative tried to sue. THAT is the mentality of this company.

                      To hell with creative and their stupid games. Just throw out your device and chalk it up to a learning experience.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by drdabbles View Post
                        I want to know one thing. After all this time, and the lackluster products that have been sold, who is still buying internal creative audio products?
                        Um... the same people that still buy new versions of Windows because it looks so much prettier than the last Windows they used?

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                        • #13
                          Budget motherboards have budget sound chips. Some motherboards have fairly good sound chips, but a lot have very cheap ones. If all you do is beep and play mp3s then that is good enough. If you are a serious gamer you want EAX, if you are an audiophile it is all about SNR and sampling bit rates. I did my homework and bought a card supported by Linux (mAudio). It is for music not games. I also have another with a mboard with digital out so the sound is processed by my amp. I used to love Creative Sound cards, but now I avoid them. The good news is that there are many quality options that are supported, a few minutes with Google can save a lot of hassles. My old Audigy 4 is still pumping out the tunes in my daughter's machine, and has hardware sound fonts for midi creation and playback, and it works with Ubuntu Studio or any distro.

                          I would still like to see good X-Fi drivers just for the midi side, but gave up waiting a long time ago.

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                          • #14
                            I dont get all the fuss over this crap.

                            Its not like Creative is the only sound card manufacturer? Actually they're one of the worst at the moment. The old emu101 had hardware mixing at least.

                            Consumer Cards
                            - Asus
                            - TerraTec
                            - Probably a lot more el-cheapo stuff you find on ebay even

                            Amateur
                            - M-Audio
                            - E-MU (Creative owned)

                            Semi-Pro to Pro
                            - RME
                            - Echo Corp
                            - MOTU
                            - Lexicon

                            ^^^ all that works on Linux (even the pro cards). Either through ALSA or through FFADO (alsa for fw cards)

                            You've got to be really thick to go out and buy Creative hardware.

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                            • #15
                              cruiseoveride:
                              I agree. I'm not going to fork out for a card that isn't so crash in the first place. I would say the Asus card is FAR better than one of those X-Fi cards. I'm probably never going to buy an X-Fi. Although I do have a Audigy, if I had the money, I'd be strait onto buying one of those Semi-Pro / Pro cards ASAP!

                              So basically it's truly a two way street. Creative are shafting themselves...

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